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Old 08-29-2006, 12:18 PM   #21
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C'mon man, don't give up the fight! Don't be so apathetic! My last hoorah on this subject will be when I get my 200 names and send them certified mail to the "family". If that goes nowhere than at least I did my best for the cause!
Hey admin,,, don't worry, I didn't roll over & play dead on the documentation issue. True, I'm merely facing the current reality, but you do have your show of force with your signatures (that does include mine!), & I've got a little something up my sleeve as well. This issue is NOT dead in my mind.

A little background. Recall that I have spoken at length with the (now retired) head electrical engineer of all GS. He agreed with me that every coach should have the diagrams included with them so that field mechanics anywhere would at least have the information tool available to get the coach up & running if not completely repaired. This very respected member of the GS family could not get the policy changed. These are the footsteps we are following.

Ron, as you point out, there are many owners who could care less about a wire size, connection, or color. They wouldn't touch it if it fell down on their foot. But their repairman out in East Osh-Kosh might benefit from the info. Of course there are the opposite: for me size, connection, & color are everything, my life. I am a power electrical engineer & I don't like to guess. When that neighbor comes over asking for help, I always answer, "Yep, show me your diagrams." Otherwise, it's all guesswork which consumes time & risks the neighbor's rig because I'm guessing.

The last "Bob" story occured at PDI. I asked tech what the unlabeled kitchen switch with the red light was for. He didn't know & managed to move me along. I concluded no biggie, I'd figure it out later - after I flicked it on and off several times. After seeing the circuit breaker (with the anti-operate clip) behind the water heater control panel, I started to get a glimmer of understanding. I finally got my answer from a set of drawings I managed to abscound with. DON'T turn the switch on without water in your tank... else, "POOF". The head electrical engineer agreed that perhaps they should mark the switch, however, he was a short-timer by then
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Old 08-29-2006, 10:33 PM   #22
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Hey guys,

I never said it wasn't a good idea to have as much documentation as possible for your rig, I just stated that it wouldn't stop me from buying a RV that would fit ours needs and wants if I couldn't get a print.

Admin, I think it is great that your mother is s fulltimer. As you descibed, I would not put her in the catagory I descibed because she knows to have as much documentation as possible. I am sure that she knows more about her unit than 90% of the others on the road. I am sure that you are very proud of her and her lifestyle, I know I would be. Good for her and as the saying goes, "You go girl." I hope that I might meet her someday and shake her hand.

I agree wholeheartedly that good documentation is important and a cost effective matter to control ones own budget whatever it might be.

Oh, I am not rich and also do most of my own maintenance. I have a maintenance background of 31-1/2 years in the steel industry. The first 15 years I was a Millwright and 16-1/2 years in management. I know the importance of having good prints for anything, be it electrical or mechanical (plumbing etc.)

I also support the efforts for trying to get GS to supply the needed prints and documentation. I signed the petition when I first found this forum because I think it is a good idea.

Yep, I support any efforts to get the best documentation possible from ALL manufacturers of components and coach manufacturers themselves.

With that said, If I offended anyone, it was not my intent.

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Old 08-30-2006, 03:29 AM   #23
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Omigosh Ron, you didn't offend anyone. As you can see, this certainly is a "hot-button" topic for me & many others. We start seeing red, but not at you. As a matter of fact, documentation is probably the reason for the founding of this group.

It became so heated (as someone recently pointed out) over at the Gulf Stream Coach supported Streamer's forum, that GS pulled down the site. In fact, I was probably the fault. I didn't get hot under the collar or nasty, but I was a persistant nag that likely inflamed others. I'm sorry for any part I played in ruining the rally discussion group, especially since my nagging had no apparent effect on GS policy.

Anyway, as you discovered, we can always stir up a lively round by saying the word, "schematic" (ooops, I did it again!)

But Ron, you have said nothing to apologize for... well, other than you were a millwright. Ha Ha Ha. I worked in a papermill as maintenance superviser/planner for a couple years - got to know & love our union millwrights. whew, tough group. From the steel mills, I'd imagine a REALLY tough group! Thanks for taking the lead in so many of our GS Owners discussions
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:57 AM   #24
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This is all good stuff, lets keep the forum active and try and find more members like you two to add to the "flavor". No hurt feelings here, nothing to apologize for, this is what discussion is about...different perspectives coming together in a civilized manner.

BTW, Ron, my mother is an escapee and I think she may even be an officer of the singles-escapee group.
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Old 08-30-2006, 10:13 AM   #25
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Ron has more posts than me: 128 vs 101.

Hey Admin, Ron has more posts than YOU! 128 vs 127.
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Old 08-30-2006, 12:45 PM   #26
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When I e-mailed GSC motech and asked:

I would like to change my 19.5 wheels for 22.5 wheels. Is this feasible??

Answer was : Contact your local dealer for this issue.

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Ron has more posts than me: 128 vs 101.

Hey Admin, Ron has more posts than YOU! 128 vs 127.
Okay Bob, What are you up to now?

My Post numbers are bigger than yours are!! Nah Nah Nah

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:29 PM   #28
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Well, I can see that in order to win this, we have to go over to total WORD count... Then I'd win hands down. I don't know how to tell a story in less than 500 when 50 would do....

what do you think about that, eh? )
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Bob,
My post count is now 137 vs yours at 103.... You are falling further behind.

Hey, word count might work for ya, but I am pretty windy also. :P

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Old 08-31-2006, 09:39 AM   #30
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When I e-mailed GSC motech and asked:

I would like to change my 19.5 wheels for 22.5 wheels. Is this feasible??

Answer was : Contact your local dealer for this issue.

Signed: Lori Kaler
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WOW, that would be quite a challenge to do. One would have to look at the overall diameter of the tire used, would have to figure if the weight capacity would be correct for the tire, also would have to figure the circumference to figure out the difference in the speedometer, and would also have to figure out if there would be clearance for the 22.5" tires in the wheel wells.

Hmmmm.... Wonder if someone makes a lift kit for your coach.

I would say that it is doable, IF all the above is figured out and there is clearance for the 22.5" rims/tire combination, albeit it would be expensive.

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