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Old 08-31-2006, 09:58 AM   #31
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Rear clearance , no problem Front , maybe turning radius. Weight would be calculated on groos weight of loaded coach. my GPS would give me a check on the Speedo. I am going to have the coach "Leveled anywayso clearances coulb be adjusted. Now: .....

6 22.5 wheels $3000.00
6 michelins $2000.00
Misc lift work $1000.00

Improvement in ride and stance ..... Priceless !!

(At least that's what Visa tells me )
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:37 AM   #32
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Hey Clyde, The factory told me that they put 22.5s on my coach without making adj. for the tires thats why my tires hit the fenders on turns like I said before they changed the fenders to tourmaster ones with full arc no more problems.

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Old 08-31-2006, 10:50 AM   #33
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Thanks Earl , I thought I had read in a post that you had 22.5s.
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Old 08-31-2006, 11:46 AM   #34
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Clyde, The price for the wheels looks high. Was that for all 6 aluminum wheels?

Usually the rear inside dual is a steel rim because the studs are usually not long enough for two aluminum rims which are much thicker. On our previous coach we thought about replacing the steel rims with the liners with aluminum and I was quoted a price of $1200.00 for 4 aluminum rims, mounted and balanced. These were new rims, Alcoa I believe or was it Accuride, Hmmm.... This was from a local tire dealer that did a lot of big rig truck tire sales/repair and also deals in auto/pickup truck tires/rims.

We didn't do it because the wife found our new coach which she twisted my arm and we purchased.

I would think you could get all 6 22.5" rims, 4 aluminum and 2 steel for about $1500.00, I would definitely shop around.

That darn priceless card.....

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Old 08-31-2006, 12:57 PM   #35
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Thanks Ron, Shopping is a must


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Old 09-27-2006, 04:34 PM   #36
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Ron, I guess you could be right but I don't think you are on this one. My own experience in customer service tells me it is probably more a matter of GS wanting to minimize the number of people it can expect calls for help from, than it is them wanting to "protect" dealer's profits. At least with dealers GS have some control over getting service people to attend formal training on their products and so on.

There could also be a legitimate claim related to protection of trade secrets, although I suspect not. As someone else mentioned, it would be laughably easy for anyone so inclined to disassemble a sample coach and reverse engineer it. I know - I've done it (for a small piece of the coach at least)! My story on this is a little further on in this post.

Based on my own past experience trying to get technical info out of GS, I think it could very well be that they just don't have that kind of information around. Oh, they may have some sort of reference documentation, but the impression I get is that every coach is kind of a one-off deal - that is they don't build 2 exactly the same. This is probably more true for the older coaches. So, truly, they couldn't give you the electrical plans for your coach if they wanted to in that case.

Here's my story: I was puzzled by a switch that I couldn't figure out the function of. It was located in the same panel as the LR overheads, porch light, step, and cargo bay door switches. GS customer service tried really hard to get the information for me, including calling up retired engineers who worked at the plant where and when my coach was built. I got some suggestions, but none of them panned out. Finally, I resolved to disassemble the coach and trace the darn wires myself. I took out the switch panel, traced the wires into a race to the bottom of the wall by the door, tore off the interior door trim, header over the door trim, and found the same race and the wires from the switch in the panel. One pair went up to the porch light, but the other pair stopped about half way up. They appeared to go outside in the vicinity of the grab handle by the door. So I took the handle off and there, much to my surpise were the two wires, running to a burned out light bulb in the handle! Shows you what a low-class RVer I am: I did not expect to own a lighted grab handle!!! So I replaced the bulb and the mystery of the switch was solved.

My point in this is that GS might have been glad to give me the info, but seemed not to have it themselves.

I know there is a push throughout the industry to develop better documentation of the whole coach, because currently this is lacking just about everywhere, not just GS. GS could definitely pick up a competetive advantage by being among the first to offer this level of support, I think.

FWIW....

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I used to be involved in the purchasing of production machinery for the company I retired from. We always negotiated a complete print & bill of material package in any machine purchase.

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Print packages are expensive and they cut out the maker of the equipment and the suppliers of maintenance to maintain it since it allows the end user to find other suppliers and do their own maintenance.

As this applies to the RV Industry, providing complete prints to the buyer/owner could cut out the RV dealer's service department to a certain degree and also the manufacturer suppling some of the parts. With this thought in mind, maybe that is one of the reasons that Gulf Stream has maintained this policy on not releasing prints to the owners.

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Old 09-27-2006, 06:05 PM   #37
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I know there is a push throughout the industry to develop better documentation of the whole coach, because currently this is lacking just about everywhere, not just GS. GS could definitely pick up a competetive advantage by being among the first to offer this level of support, I think.

FWIW....
Winniebago was one of the first. Take a look at what they provide online:

http://www.winnebagoind.com/diagram/Wiring.htm

http://www.winnebagoind.com/diagram/Plumbing.htm

http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/webcd.htm

Impressive, Is it not?????

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Old 09-28-2006, 10:00 AM   #38
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Now that is indeed impressive. Back to 1997, no less!!!

GS: Get A Clue!


Winniebago was one of the first. Take a look at what they provide online:

http://www.winnebagoind.com/diagram/Wiring.htm

http://www.winnebagoind.com/diagram/Plumbing.htm

http://www.winnebagoind.com/service/webcd.htm

Impressive, Is it not?????

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Old 09-28-2006, 03:20 PM   #39
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My point in this is that GS might have been glad to give me the info, but seemed not to have it themselves.

I know there is a push throughout the industry to develop better documentation of the whole coach, because currently this is lacking just about everywhere, not just GS. GS could definitely pick up a competetive advantage by being among the first to offer this level of support, I think.

FWIW....
Well I have made that assertion before. And, if it is true, fess up. And, BTW, I have seen some schematics of a coach that was adifferent model than mine and based on my own research the wiring harness is very similar if not identical across many of the late model coaches of a particular class (A,C, etc).

As far as others not having that level of documentation, I beg to differ, go to the Winnebago and Alfa web sites and see the level of documentation you get online. Go to the Country Coach or Monaco sites and see the wealth of data you can find...then go to the GS site and all you will find is info dedicated to SELLING you a coach...except for FAQ section that is almost worthless unless you know exactly what you are looking for and can formulate the correct keywords.

So, from even just that 10 minute exercise...do you think GS is more interested in CS or Selling based on their web site alone?

Now, we all can go on and on about the companies below in terms of what we think of their product, but look at their commitment to owners with information.

http://www.winnebagoind.com/resources/manuals/

http://www.alfaleisure.com/downloads/manuals.html

http://www.holidayrambler.com/service/index.html

http://www.holidayrambler.com/service/faqs.html

Now after visiting all of those, visit:

http://www.gulfstreamcoach.com

Now what do YOU think?

I am sorry if it sounds like I am slamming GS, but sheez guys, get with the program. Start building your web site and CS as well as your cabinetry and you really will gain the support of each and every member of this forum!
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Old 09-28-2006, 03:58 PM   #40
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Very well put gsadmin!
If GS would only meet us halfway with CS everyone would have a lot better feeling about them.
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